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SA_Pliskin

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This post it to start the conversation.  The PA has come to me stating a popular request is the amend or remove FF's from playoffs.  Please feel free to bring up points to argue in favor or against this concept.  we will vote in one weeks time. Currently the format is this:

Teams are expected to have 6 skaters by game time or within a 10 min grace period.  After ten min grace period the game is Forfeited.

Please discuss this civil. Any points made that insults or attacks another person will be removed.

I will be playing devils advocate and arguing against this change solely for the purpose of bringing to thought all sides of a change not just the positives.  Most ask for rule changes because it will do something for them but are ignorant to the amount of bad it can bring.


PROS:
-every game is played.

CONS:
-your team can only skate its best line on a specific night. the other team takes advantage and reschedules forcing you to use your second line.

-they can only beat you with their best players and buy time to make sure they can get them.

-what if you can only play a certain day and a reschedule prevents you from playing at all.

-exploits where a team does not wish to play a certain player is able to reschedule to a time he doesn't have to.

-everyone's time is valuable.  you dont want to show up after cancelling plans and sit around for an hour just to give them another chance on another day forcing you to either show up on a time that is very bad for you if you can make it at all.

on a side note,  these games are played back to back.  if a no FF rule comes in.  To what end does it resolve issues?  do you reschedule all 3 games?  just that one particular game?  is there even a point to reschedule if the next two are ff anyway?  if you reschedule all 3 what negative effects will it have on availability?  if one team reschedules and it doesnt work out for the other can they re-reschedule?  if so there is only 2 days during the week of playoffs we dont play is there time to reschedule a reschedule?  what if you cant reschedule?  should you be forcing players to abandon other leagues on SP off nights? 

Each round of the playoffs is one week.  the league does not care what the two teams work out for their own terms.  if they want to play 7 on monday and take the week off we could care less provided everyone who is expected to play is given the chance.


so with that the floor is yours.  we vote next sun the 21st



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In my opinion, completely removing FF from playoffs is a bit far fetched per all the cons already mentioned in the original post. 

What if we meet half way between no reschedules at all and no FFs and implement a rule where each team is allowed 1 reschedule per series in the playoffs. The rule is similar to VG and I find it works well. I can see the immediate effects being:

1. If someone happens to be late for a game or someone has to leave after, say game 1, then you can reschedule the first or following game, respectively.
2. It will somewhat prevent teams from looking to FF someone right at the 10 minute mark, knowing that they have a reschedule, which if used will cause inconvenience for both teams to show up on a different day and/or time.
3. Few of the cons of continuously rescheduling until you have your best players can be alleviated. 

I also think that adding a rule of playing, say a minimum of 8 players, per playoff series can help some with the rescheduling to nights when the '2nd line' players are not available.

Finally, I think adding, say 2 reschedules during the season, can also help some FF issues.

kozmo483264


Give each team 1 Reschedule per sereies and they have to use that scheduled line for that game (both teams) so can hopefully prevent a team from rescheduling just to use their best players every game if it's within the 1st 4 games of a series where the rule is we have to play everyone on our roster or use an ecu in said players spot if that player cannot make the game after saying they can play.

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Posted on behalf of Aali. 



my suggestion for ff in playoff is to at least extend the grace period to like 20 min. That way ppl arent entirely stressed about rushing or panicking to show up within 10 mins, we arent waiting all night for a game to start, 25min before the next official gametime, and better chance for teams to put out their best lineup


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kozmo483264 wrote:Give each team 1 Reschedule per sereies and they have to use that scheduled line for that game (both teams) so can hopefully prevent a team from rescheduling just to use their best players every game if it's within the 1st 4 games of a series where the rule is we have to play everyone on our roster or use an ecu in said players spot if that player cannot make the game after saying they can play.
use that scheduled line for that game (both teams)

what if you cant?

where the rule is we have to play everyone on our roster or use an ecu

thats not a rule.  We have to schedule anyone who says they are available before the elimination game.  not sure where the ecu portion came from. but if it was a suggestion.  do you feel comfortable giving anyone the ability to force you to use an ecu if they are upset with you or the team in general?  what if no ecu is available?


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I would extend the grace period from 10 to 15 min but if you take longer then the 10 minutes a ECU must play instead of the roster player scheduled. So this will take away from them waiting for their "best" player to get in the game. GMs should always have an ECU on call just in case somebody cant make it. That's their responsibility as a GM.


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I don't think reschedules should be allowed in a playoff format . Perhaps maybe an extra half hour MAYBE


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It's no different than regular season, you know when we play and if you can ice a team in reg season you should have no problem doing it in playoffs! There's lots of ecus! If anything extend it to 20 minutes for playoffs but there's gotta be something written about abusing the extra ten minutes so every team isn't just using the time cause they have it.

kozmo483264


SA_Pliskin wrote:
kozmo483264 wrote:Give each team 1 Reschedule per sereies and they have to use that scheduled line for that game (both teams) so can hopefully prevent a team from rescheduling just to use their best players every game if it's within the 1st 4 games of a series where the rule is we have to play everyone on our roster or use an ecu in said players spot if that player cannot make the game after saying they can play.
use that scheduled line for that game (both teams)

what if you cant?

where the rule is we have to play everyone on our roster or use an ecu

thats not a rule.  We have to schedule anyone who says they are available before the elimination game.  not sure where the ecu portion came from. but if it was a suggestion.  do you feel comfortable giving anyone the ability to force you to use an ecu if they are upset with you or the team in general?  what if no ecu is available?


2nd part i suggested is based on how VG runs it with the exception that theirs is 10 different players before game 4 and not all roster players 

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No changes , people find to many exploits as it is.


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Sorry I meant vote as in click the button at the top to pick an option


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